Kerry Jones is a Senior Lecturer at The Open University, UK, where her research and teaching focus on death, dying, grief, bereavement and end-of-life care. As Co-Lead of the Open University Carers Research Group, she has published and presented her research on care homes and care-giving staff during the pandemic, stillbirth neonatal death, parental bereavement, brain injury, dementia and suicide. Kerry was an academic consultant for A Time to Live on BBC 2. Joanna Horne is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology and Counselling at The Open University, UK. She conducts research within the areas of physical activity and carer wellbeing, and support needs of young carers. Jo is a member of the Open University Carers Research Group.